I have corrected my view that Troy like Asgard were the Mount Tsaphon in Northern Syria which was on it's turn an image of Babylon. But... there is a Jericho "thing" in the fall of Babylon (Revelation 14:8; 18:2). Jericho was burnt by fire as will Babylon be burnt by fire Revelation 18:8,9, 18).
hard to identify Atlantis if religion is a no go area. As I wrote before: archeologists had dominantly claimed Atlantis as "their" topic for a too long time.
Post by hellbuster on Sept 23, 2018 14:33:36 GMT -7
The thingee is knakker, under the premise of your associating Jeremiah to Plato, the former would require prophetic visions, though the later(Plato) just needed history of Jerusalem and Babylon, and the betrayal of Jerusalem to Babylon by Jeremiah would require a very evenhandedness would it not, the liberation by King Cyrus of Babylon of the Levite's led by Zerubbabel, is followed by the rebuild of the Temple with Cyrus as patron, and Plato would have been very aware of this, though not so Herodotus.
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Post by hellbuster on Sept 23, 2018 16:53:43 GMT -7
The considerations of biblical references to Jeremiah and a second coming of Babylon requires an evenhandedness relating to two aspects, the first is the very betrayal of Jerusalem by Jeremiah, and the second is that Babylon had been cursed by an earlier prophet to desolation. An association to the first aspect that relates to the second aspect would be the status of Jeremiah himself, is he a true or false prophet?.
We have to assume Jeremiah was aware of the curse of desolation upon Babylon, therefore was Jeremiah disputing said curse when he called upon Babylon?, in order to delve some comprehension a look at the nature of the curse may assist in leading to a revelation. The question has to be asked as to whether the curse was prophetic or proactive (ie presumptively premeditated), and in order to do this we may have to call Jeremiah to the stand, a second coming of Babylon according Jeremiah suggests he accepts the desolation due Babylon for Babylon had yet to fall, and the second coming may represent "redemption", that the Semitic nation of Babylon had redeemed itself when called upon.
Post by hellbuster on Sept 23, 2018 17:17:45 GMT -7
Jeremiah was called to the stand in order to redeem himself, assuming that at this time the Pharisees held themselves as judge magistrate, it would have been to "them" that he proclaimed his sole defense, that being "In your hour of need you called upon Egypt and not the Lord", therefore it has to be assumed Jeremiah is referring to NikauII's sacking of Jerusalem, and it was this judicial body that called upon NikauII.
this is strange in itself for the Temple of God had apparently been defiled, desecrated, by Shishak, though not one prophet makes any such suggestion, it comes purely from Kings and Chronicles.
Post by hellbuster on Sept 23, 2018 18:07:54 GMT -7
The Shishak invasion of Jerusalem was apparently followed by an Assyrian invasion of Jerusalem, again not supported by Levitical prophets, strangely Assyrian records do not specifically mention Jerusalem, there kingslist of conquered kings includes their cities, the case for Jerusalem is the sole situation where the city is not named on the kingslist, it simply states "The city of Hezekiah", this the sole case where the name of the city is excluded by the Assyrians, further, the Assyrians were challenging Hezekiah in the Hebrew, though Hezekiah insisted they conversed in the Targum, a mixed Hebrew/Aram/Assyrian transliterated language, which suggests he did not know fluent Hebrew.
"In your hour of need you called upon Egypt and not upon the Lord".
I am sorry I am not able to follow your thoughts. And I have never heart of the semitic state of Babylon. The confusion is maybe about the double prophecies about Babylon falling during Daniel's captivity and another time in the End of Days. God does often things twice.
Post by hellbuster on Sept 24, 2018 6:32:37 GMT -7
NikauII king of Egypt installed two kings of Jerusalem, Jehoiakim and Jehoiakin, Jeremiah referred to Jehoiakin as Conin whom he despised, though under the vassal kings the Levite's were retained, both vassals were ousted after short reigns of dissention influenced by dissenting Levite's, especially against Jehoiakin, and a leadership flux resulted in opposing Levite's calling on NikauII support of their filling the void, at that time Hophra(Apries) had attained the throne of Egypt, immediately following this period Jerusalem came under the Babylonian siege of which Jeremiah was allegedly involved, unlike said vassal kings the Babylonian Diaspora resulted in Levite's leaving with the captives, and the remaining became the Pharisee. It is worth mention Jehoiakin received a gift from Nikau of a large solid gold dish taken as booty from the Temple, and likely behind Jeremiah's venom against Jehoiakin.
The strange thing regarding the golden dish is little next to no mention of the other Temple treasures appears elsewhere, and they had apparently been taken over 300years earlier.
The Books of Kings, Chronicles, and Isaiah, were the only Books of the Old Testament kept in the Temple, and with less principled Levite's(Pharisees) under Babylonian overlords, that left the 3 Books prone to tampering.
The Ten Tribes of Israel (as opposed two tribes) were oppressed by King Hazael of Aram for eight years before Othniel liberated them, later some of their cities are listed under the Assyrian list of defeated cities, 3 component languages of the Targum transliterated language of Hezekiah.
In the New Testament two genealogies of Jesus exist, one according Matthew, the other according Luke. The genealogy according Matthew has undoubtedly been comprised from Kings and Chronicles, though the genealogy according Luke does not correspond. It has often been mooted that the genealogy according Luke is the genealogy of Mother Mary, and yet some sequences of Luke's that correspond with Matthew's, other sequences fail to correspond, suggesting Luke's is not Mother Mary's, and Kings and Chronicles has been tampered.
One particular abnormality is Hezekiah's absence from Luke's, another is Sheltiel's.
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