Post by realagentscully on Nov 24, 2013 9:23:01 GMT -7
i don't read comics, especially super hero comics. women don't do that stuff.
it is disingenuous to make this matter binary. it's not an either / or. just because i debunk your most unlikely story doesn't mean i believe the alternative.
keel may have had his faults but he was spot on about looking at these phenomena as paranormal. it is clear ufos are not aerospace craft from another planet. such a belief is not supported by the evidence unless you cherry pick it.
i would say you should find the facts rather than attack those giving them to you. unless this hangie incident happened at the base of a significant hill it could not have happened. and stealth helicopters way back then did not exist. add to that many other people saw this mothman apparition so your single incident cannot explain all sightings.
finally, sweetie, keel never said the mothman entity caused the bridge to collapse. he suggested the collapse and tragedy somehow caused (attracted, invoked) the paranormal phenomena preceeding it.
to john keel the ufo sightings and the mothman and men in black were all aspects of a single phenomenon.
Post by brig admin 3 on Nov 24, 2013 16:15:01 GMT -7
Did it ever occur to you that black Ops could launch from the air? I know my source is solid. But I never nit picked the how to. Finally, honey bun, you contradicted yourself on that last statement. I've read Keels drivel; but it has to be up to the reader what he/she believes.
John Keel, if I remember correctly got his start with the Point Pleasant, West Virginia, Mothman story. As Mr. Keel was totally off track with that story, I have to cast a doubtful eye on the rest of his writings. I was a reporter and Science Editor for the Parkersburg evening newspaper, out of Parkersburg, West Virginia, at the time the "Mothman" story broke. I was called into action with the collaspe of the Silver Bridge at Point Pleasant. Thats been many years ago and I have watched the "Mothman" conspiracy mushroom bigger and bigger as the years roll by. First, lets set one point straight. Silver Bridge was getting in rickety shape. After the bridge fell, investigators found several areas where the concrete had crumbled (known as concrete rot) and steel beams were heavily rusted and corroded. The bridge may well have stood until inspectors discovered these flaws, but it was Christmas time and the bridge was under the strain of bumper to bumper traffic. It was just too much for the old structure and it gave away. Mothman had nothing to do with it. There were a number of claims made at that time that were sensationalised by the news media. A "golden globe" or "egg" was found that defied logical explaination; that is, until a highschool athlete saw it was a shotput from the phys ed department. A kid and his girl were driving along a local highway in the boys convertible when the car was suddenly attacked by some large bird "or something" and even though they drove 90 miles an hour rthat bird or whatever was tearing at the convertible top trying to get in. The convertibles was old and there was a well worn tear in the rear side that obviously made quite a noise with the kids driving so fast. Apparently a large crane like bird had flown near the car causing the initial panic. Then we come to "Mothman", the creature that never existed. I got the facts about mothman from a source that does not wish to be known until after his demise. I realize this sounds like a cop out, but listen and draw your own conclusions. This period was during the Viet Nam war period. The government was training hang glider personel for use in the Viet Nam countryside. Code named the "Black Ladies" these hang gliders were using West Virginia hills for practice. The hang gliders were black, flown at night in supposedly sparsely populated areas. On the night in question, a hamg glider became lost and came down near Point Pleasant where he was seen by an extremely nervous lady and her off spring. At this time, night vision goggles appeared pink or reddish instead of the green yo see in todays versions. The hang glider obscured the pilot in the dark making him appear to have no head and the pink night vision goggles would have appeared to be coming out of the monsters chest. He was picked up by a hanging rope ladder from a stealth helicopter common during that period so he appeared to fly straight up before the startled and paniced eyes of his eyewitnesses. But all of this superstition clap has become a wild money maker for the people in Point Pleasant and every hack writer that could turn out a good, supernatural, yarn.
Post by crimsonking on Jan 20, 2014 1:53:46 GMT -7
I'm both an aerospace engineer (retired) and published military history writer. I can buy everything you have said......the hang gliders, NVGs, special forces etc. All that makes perfect sense for the time we're talking about. The problem is the "stealth helicopter" part. There was nothing like that during the Vietnam era. I worked for many years with the US Army rotor wing gurus at Fort Rucker, AL. Even the stealthy Blackhawk the US lost during the Bin Laden raid wasn't silent. Decreased noise and radar signature, but not totally quiet.
By the way, hang gliders are (or were) still part of the equipment available for use by Special Forces. They were almost used in a rescue attempt of American hostages on board a cruise ship (Achille Lauro) back in the 1980s.
On another topic, we you with the paper during the "Flatwoods Monster" in WV in the early 1950s.
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